Yonda You have been nominated

Yonda do da ALS ice bucket challenge and post it

Pweez- wanna see ur reaction

 

*FacePalm* His been nominated before,

 

hell no, then he will nominate me also

 

That is good. ;3

 

Bro, you have to show a video of yourself doing it or else nobody else will do it.

 

I choose to decline your nomination as what they use for the research for ALS is stem cells and those come from babies that have been aborted. I see this as morally wrong and will therefore not be doing the ALS ice bucket challenge. (Yes I have morals)

 

I felt the need to say something sarcastic, but I would have felt bad. :/
Good on you Yonda.

 

Oh noes

 

Make a video

 

You couldn't have accepted it anyway because he didn't vid himself doing it when nominating you

 

I don't think Yonda is going to do it.

 

What's wrong aborting babies?
Yes, I think this is happening.

 

Yonda when are we getting the dislike button added?

 

No seriously what is wrong with aborting?

 

I personally think Abortion is wrong.

 

I nominate @FadilyCraft

 

its like murdering a baby.

 

A Foetus is not a baby, it is a pile of tissue equal to that of an appendage or organ. What if the woman aborting does not want to have the child? What if she was a rape victim? What if the baby will have a poor quality of life? What if having the baby will kill the mother? What if she can not afford it? What if she is not prepared to potentially waste her life raising a baby when she could have gone to university/college? It is the mother's life decision, and the Foetus can only be aborted at a stage where it literally is smaller than your fist and has no heart, no brain, will feel no pain and is nothing but a mere prospect of Human life.

 

shouldnt have had sex then, or even at least put it up for adoption. its still like murder, but killing it before its even born. the baby could have had a life and be the world's smartest person, a famous doctor, anything. killing the mother while she had a life to give birth to a child who could maybe have had better. make a family, have more children, making the family larger.
its not wasting your life to raise a creature of your own kind, she could maybe still go to college, put the baby in a foster home, have a relative or a friend take care of the baby. there are other solutions other than to abort it.

 

Lets not have this argument ....

 

now why not http://gyazo.com/df81e2632bdae5e47f2c86fc541d0ac2

 

Its not that easy to just put a baby up for adoption it takes work like lots of work, everyone can make there own opinion its there choice i don't see why everyone has to be so concerned with a piece of tissue when there are serious problems with the world right now what if the person can't afford that baby you want to give it a horrible life ?? everyone has there own opinion

 

Discussion or argument?

 

The thing Is the baby isn't even a solid. It is a mixture of cells and as such when it is killed it does not feel pain as it is not living yet. I cannot be refered to as murder since the baby is not technically alive. Also what Happens if the person has HIV or aids? It would seem kinder to have an abortion then to bring a child up in this kind of life.

 

No racism or puns intended but look at America would you want a baby living in a downtown scrub with the risk of losing his mother each day due to gang land warfare? It just doesent seem fair but their are 2 sides to every story.

 

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Not all of america is like that i like in dc a arena that is full of gang wars etc but the chances of getting mixed up in that kind of crowd is very unlikely

 

Not all of america is like that i like in dc a arena that is full of gang wars etc but the chances of getting mixed up in that kind of crowd is very unlikely[/quote]
No but what I was speculating is what happened if you can't afford anywhere else but the downtown scrubs?

 

This has gotten REALLY awkward

 

This is ridiculous now.
Nicole your reasons are valid, but some people just don't see your point of view, and I don't think arguing (yes arguing) will change their minds so swiftly. Maybe if they witnessed it they would, but there isn't much you or I could do about it.
MC and others, yours are as well, but some people, including Nicole don't see it like that either, and there's probably nothing you can do to change that.
Now can we get off of this topic please? All this talk of babies and abortion is making me feel weird. :S

 

There's a reason abortion is illegal in some places.

 

In the us the supreme court ruled that it was not constitutionally wrong therefor not illegal

 

Its not illegal in the UK.

 

Yeah, but the US isn't the only country in the world. :/
I think it's illegal in a lot of countries in Africa and such.

 

Im pretty sure in most countries its legal

 

...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law

 

*puks*

 

did i say us is the only country in the world, no thats just were i live (though)

 

Now, as Nicole said, if you don't want to have to go through putting a baby up for adoption, then that person should not have sex. Nor do I think it is right to refer to a human as a piece of tissue, unless every other person can be called a "mass of cells"...
I also would like to point out that some of the happiest kids I know are adopted, how is adoption a horrible life? They're given to good homes and people who would love to raise children. And I would consider abortion a pretty serious problem with the world, seeing as we are killing our own kind before they are born.

Pretty sure they are solids, they sure aren't gases or liquids...Again, everything alive is composed of cells, which are alive. If cells are alive, is the growing baby alive then? And also, what drew you to the conclusion that they do not feel pain? Pain itself doe not classify whether something can die or not. If something can't feel pain, does that mean it should be killed then? I could probably say safely that pain is an alert to danger.

Now, I'm not trying to disrespect anyone's opinions here, because I do respect your opinions =)

/rant

 

What The fek whats The point of arguing about dis delete this x.x

 

i didn't say that adoption is a horrible life i said why put a child through a horrible life, i understand adoption being a great thing but its a fairly long process and what if a mother can't support there child for that long. I think people should be able to choose why they do with there children also i ddnt mean to degrade them to tissues but considering they are not formed yet they are technically a bundle of tissues just like technically we are a bundle of cells.

 

What would you say if the fetus has an infectious disease and is bound to die, but because the doctors refuse to abort the fetus. As a result of this action the both the woman and the fetus dies as a result of this. Is it not murder letting a woman die when she is saying to abort the child, but the doctors refuse. Or what if the woman is raped and has a baby, but she doesn't have the financial assets necessary to support the fetus. Its not her fault for being raped so she should have the choice of what to do with the fetus.

 

Whether one is wasting their own life can only be defined by them self. So, a 16-year old rape victim could very easily classify using a year of their life being pregnant, and from this point either the next 18 years, or months of trying to get it into an orphanage - as wasting their life. Why should someone be restricted from sex because they don't want to live with the burden of a child they don't want? The thing is, a Foetus is as much of a Human being as two consenting adults contemplating having a child. The only difference is that one takes a simple 'no', and the other requires surgery. It is a mother's choice as to whether they want to go through the difficulties of pregnancy, and it is absolutely no-where near as easy as "let's just wait until the bugar comes out and then I'll put it up for adoption". 9 months of one's life would be wasted, meaning their jobs, education and normal life have to be put on-hold, potentially even permanently ruined. Even if a woman has the smoothest of pregnancies, has an adopting guardian in the wings, and can get straight back on with their lives - they will always be negatively affected by their experience. The minor hassle of aborting the child and getting on with their lives as though nothing happened will have a significantly lesser impact and - since the Foetus was never living in the first place - it is literally just as though nothing occurred. What you are essentially saying, is that woman are there to make babies, doesn't matter if they ruin their lives in the process, doesn't matter if they don't have the money to support the child, doesn't matter if the child's quality of life will be very poor, doesn't matter if the baby will have a disorder that wrecks it and it's mother's life, doesn't matter if the woman does not want to have the baby - as long as she conforms to the concept that Foetuses are somehow Human's and they deserve a chance at life even if it goes against her wishes - then everything will be OK.

"Everyone has an opinion but only mine and those who share it are correct".
-Every Human being ever.

 

agreed couldn't say it any better

 

I personally don't think that you should be aborting a fetus just because the parents don't want to have baby, but do want to have sex.

 

well its depends on the situation i guess

 

Why? If a woman does not want to have a baby, due to whatever reason, she should be able to have the opportunity to decide.

 

People don't understand that you can't just take ur baby to a adoption agency and leave them there.......................... its a long process + that pains of labor and having the baby etc.

 

If she is having sex then she should have to acknowledge responsibility if a baby is born.

 

They can't do that.

 

According 2 what?

 

laws/regulations

 

ok so that was a bad example, all i can say is its all circumstantial

 

Slay

 

For example in India the ratio of men to women is nearly 2:1 due to the fact that many people abort when they think the fetus is a female.

 

wow thats horrible

 

I personally think it's wrong, everyone deserves a chance to live life, aborting babies is just like murder, they're not even giving them the chance. The babies now are the future, we can't just do abortions and expect people to be happy.

 

The baby

can only be a cell. So early on, otherwise I believe nicoles opinion.

 

Just saying, couldn't you consider the use of stem cells as turning something you don't support (abortion) in to something to better the human race?

See, ALS don't go round asking everyone to have a bang and give them yer cells.

They, in a way, put to use the otherwise wasted cells that you don't condone so that the thousands of others who would potentially suffer can live their lives.

You're basically plugging something that was ALREADY killed back in to existence for the better of humanity

 

If 3 people nominate me I will make a video of me doing it and post it on the forums

 

O then I do :3 2 more

 

Great. I was going to put in my opinion.
Then I lose connection.
It took me so long to type.
-.-
But yes,
NEW TOPIC!

 

pls OP

 

So what you are saying is that all women should just keep on pushing out babies? No matter whether they don't want to, no matter the several examples above - where not allowing abortion can physically ruin lives. Also, Foetuses are not living, they are just a very small pile of tissue. They are not potential humans that should be kept simply because killin em is murder, they are as much of a human as a couple wanting a child is. The difference is that, sometimes, the mother does not want to waste their or their babies lives, so abortion is the only option.

 

Its his personal opinion. Some people will always think differently, whether it be their morals, how they were brought up, or even how they think.
Personally, I understand your reasons, and 'the other sides', but although you are right, some people get abortion so many times, merely because they don't care, and want to 'keep going at it'. It should be there as a legal option in my opinion, but I think it should be restricted to people who actually need it for a worthwhile reason.

 

Couldn't have put it better myself! Also BigTea you weren't expecting this discussion were you now?

 

There are certain scenarios however where abortion would be the best option. Its all about perspective I think. :/

 

That's what I said, I said the child is only a couple of cells when their is abortion but some people think the baby is "alive".

 

The baby has so much potential and they have the right to kill it off?
Just because you slept around or possibly [slight percentage] got raped doesn't mean you can murder a human being that is going to form in the future.

That's all I'm going to say on this matter.
If arguments keep being repeated over and over it's not going to get anywhere.

 

I'm not tryna continue but I'm just curious as to what you consider the difference between 2 people considering having a child and whether or not to have an abortion?

The reason i ask is because in both situations, there is a potential child with whatever special talents etc

 

Abortion should only happen if the woman has been raped or if both the fetus and the and woman is in bodily harm.

 

Imo if the baby will grow up in an abusive household or one that would take away without consequences, its basic human rights to make it miserable, it can be done then too

 

Eh, but some of those people can amount to something and perhaps become writers like Dickens.

 

True but majority of us have no idea how bad the suffering is under domestic violence/abuse. It's on the opposite end of the scale from humane

 

Ya, but its not as bad as living like poor nation without the necessities of life.

 

Typical response to abuse in most cases (in what I've seen) is that you become reclusive and afraid of such and such. E.g. Gender, moustached people, etc..
Not going and getting famous off of it. ._.

 

Maybe but we can't judge that. Under domestic violence you have the necessities to live, but growing up poor you can still feel loved and a part of a family

 

true

 

I'd prefer living poorly then be abused. :/
Even though both scenarios are undesirable.

 

In my opinion, this is for nature to decide.
If a baby has a severe defect like anencephaly (literally no brain), then the child will most likely die quickly after birth. However, few anencephalic children have lived to be 3. Unfortunately, more severe anomalies exist. One of which, is holoprosencephaly. This disorder is caused when the brain fails to divide properly. The most severe form of this disorder is called cyclopia. The defects are so severe that the child is usually stillborn or dead after birth. Keep in mind, that a less severe form of this disorder exists. Milder forms allow the child a chance to live. Would you abort a baby because they had cleft lip?

Fetuses can also feel pain. This phenomenom is called fetal pain. Remember, by then, nerves have already developed.

I think nature should decide.
But hey,
This is my opinion.

~Thank you

 

They go through the pain of pushing the babys out, 20-30 years later in their old age they don't regret it. The kid has to go to school and depending on his personality he might learn and be a smart child, grow up to be a smart adult and get a good job. At this point the mother is not sent to a home but instead is cared for with money that her son can provide her with. Thats not the point though, life isn't always about money, Love is involved in a family too and a mother watching her child grow up is upsetting to her, why? because of the love she feels for the child. Infact, a womens brain grows when a child is born, why? because love can change a brain, it will not grow as soon as the child is born though, but over time. Everyone deserves a chance to live, but thats just my opinion but as many people will tell you...

"Whether you are smart or dumb, whether you have talent or not, You will always be a winner because out of 100s of sperm, You made it to the womb and won the race"

 

How tf are you arguing that abortion isn't a bad thing? :I Nicole wins she was full of win when she said "if the baby wasn't aborted it could grow up to be the smartest person in the world" the baby could grow up to create a cure for ALS that doesn't take killing one person to help another.

 

Did you know that me and you are only around because we had hundreds of faster and stronger sperm that dissolved parts of the egg to make it perfect for us? We were essentially the average sperm that came 43rd in the race and got lucky xD

 

Some people like to believe that happened for a reason

 

You can't say someone won just because you agree with them. As I said before, abortion is a good thing. It is obviously a good thing because the one and only negative of it, is that it is killing the prospects of something equal to that of a couple thinking about having a child. It should always be the mother's choice as to whether she want to go through an event in her life this big, because if it is not, then a woman's life could be completely wrecked. And for what, the 1% chance that a respectable Human will come out of all of the pain and insidiousness?

 

So your saying you really couldn't give 2 shits if you got aborted?

 

Hypothetical: If my mother did not want me, whether for selfish or above reasons, it is her choice. No woman should be forced to give birth just because she will be shunned if she does not.

 

I'd make 1000 accounts to like that comment, but A level homework + SAT prep sux

 

Ok fine, I really don't want to be responsible of starting an argument so i'm gonna back off

 

I dont win, im just too lazy to write a bunch of crap that wont matter since people will just side against eachother anyways. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I do sorta like what Mlg said also. Definitely not going to argue with MCSmelter because he is kewl and i dont even know what im going on about kbai xD

 

COOKIES

 

but arguments r fun

 

Its house of parliament in here

 

Yep

 

House of Reps for Aussies. ;3

 

House of Commons

 

Also America has the House of Reps

 

We have a house of senates as well soooooo.. x3

 

I know but Im lazy and I get in too many arguments on the forums already xD

 

We have the senate. Not house tho