Surge, This is getting insane. One of the main reasons the forums is here is for players to help get rid of hackers IT IS NOT HAPPENING. There are WAY to many ban reports sitting there untouched. People are hacking, enjoying it ruining others leisure time and then coming back and doing exactly the same thing. @surgetheurge you may argue that on kitpvp we have the auto jail system to do it for us but it's not working properly as all of us have previously established. If you could take one piece of advice from me in your life it would be this : give moderators permanent ban permissions. Then perhaps something will be done. One big flaw to this improvement would be the fact that moderators could easily abuse this power. There is an easy way to deal with this as owner of squad surge, give them a clear warning that if they abuse the power they will be demoted and do so if it comes to that. PLEASE Surge do something about this, hackers come ruin people's leisure time and keen people kdr and NOTHING gets done. Mods should have proof for banning the player other wise demotion and the player MUST be banned for a decent reason. All player moderators ban must be forwarded to you to approve or not. If you do read this please leave a comment on wether something could happen about this.
-force the mods to record/have evidence of the ban -having no evidence could result in the player being unbanned and the mod possibly being demoted Simple as that
This takes a good chunk of trust. If a mod one day were to ban ever player it'd chaos. However there's so many damn hackers in this server that it's desperate enough to give mod these perms. Now looking at it from another angle, a reason many complain is because surge doesn't ban these hackers because he's not very active. If mods were to have these perms there'd have to be control. Something that can't happen if the only person who can steadily maintain control is hardly on. Not to mention there's only 3 mods. 2 of which I hardly see on, and 1 that I somewhat see active. Now to my, and everyone else's eyes, that's complete and utter bullshit. Of there's only 3(in my eyes 2) who could ban these hackers it wouldn't be very effective, since A. They're hardly on, and B. The power of wielding perm bans could cost more than actually putting it to use. To pick the lesser of the two evils, I'd say no, mods should not get ban perms. With only 1-2 being hardly active, there powers would be useless. But they're powers if they were to go fucking mad and ban everyone would be extremely costly, and could do more hard then good if mods were to get perm bans.
This is a suggestion I have in mind. It kind of refers to most servers, but surge has trust issues, and by that he can't afford to let some yahoo get mod and ruin his server even more by abusing. Every reasonable solution comes with a flaw especially what I'm about to say. I know there are mods who have the potential out there to help this server stabilize into a good community. However there are mods who abuse or ruin the fun based off of emotion. To fix this crisis some solutions I have come up with are... - we really need a manager. I know surge doesn't have the time to pick out a manager that he trusts completely to run the staff team. This would really help our case because if he can get a well trained manager, our mod team wouldn't be as lacking as it is rn. - in some cases a manager doesn't workout, we can probably have a head mod, which has been a thing. Possibly one of the mods can become the head mod, this doesn't mean they have more power over others. This is exactly like the three branches of government, each branch supports others while being supported. The head mods, main goal is to hire capable and worthy helpers to the team. However this time, helpers only get mute and kick. Mods will get tempban with a maximum time of like one or two hours, or the amount of hours the team feels should be the maximum. When helpers get accepted they would probably need to show that they are ready to become a mod, after like two to three months, again whatever the mods decide is the appropriate time, to decide when they are able to be promoted Some ideas are bad and good, feel free to give critism and your thoughts on my suggestions.
1. It's already hard enough to get mod, so I doubt ANY hacker will ever get mod if the community knows the person is a hacker. 2. There's a thing called ban appeals, and mod's HAVE to post proof of the ban. Or the mod will either get demoted/warned, and the players gets unbanned. So it's not much trust in the process, it's just logic.
This sounds like a good idea I have seen server that actually just have a Ban Team were they look for hackers and ban them many that could be a new staff thing
I'm agreeing with you about it being complete and utter bullshit, but the players have reported the hackers ON THE FORUMS the staff are on the forums. The 3 mods, who are supposedly two in your eyes and I know the one your leaving out btw, are all trustworthy. They have no reason to abuse their powers. The mods would take a look at the report and if they consider the hacker to BE A HACKER they will get banned. After this has happened there comes the part where the other mods and surge either respect their decision or totally disagree. If they disagree an our correct, surge will have the final say and ban them. It all works and there is only one disruption. Now on the basis of TRUST, we would have to trust the moderators and surge to make the right delicious of course, however if they do get it wrong a problem could occur. This could be easily sorted out however and in the end there is NO problem with the system. Do you not trust all the mods? I do. There would never be chaos if a mod falsely banned a player because the player would be unbanned and free to carry on playing on squad. Frankly Agar, This must happen. Unless surge is suddenly going to start taking a look at all the reports we have to give mods the perms. Its inevitable. Before I begin, be honest jerry, is this just another argument to help you out with this thing that's coming up? Because if it is I'm not arguing with a guy who is searching for arguments so people can give him constructive criticism on how he is arguing. I don't consider arguing as a profession and shouldn't be considered as one. The definition is of an argument is " Two sides stating opinions in a state that means they disagree." Arguing for the sake of arguing isn't an argument. It is a rant. I'm not here to listen to rants about how this is false when your opinion is frankly the opposite. Be honest Jerry, and I apologise if I am falsely accusing you. Seriously? Trust issues? That's going to be and should be considered as completely irrelevant or only slightly relevant for the situation we are now in. Jerry, there are three mods. Three. I trust all of the mods do you? Yes this does mean that trust will be considered before someone is accepted as a mod, but other than people that have hacked in the past and don't admit to it i think all mods are trustworthy. People who apply and don't say they hack when they have hacked in the past or currently do hack may also still be trustworthy in this matter. Mods would NEVER take the permission against someone and use it as an abuse power. Secondly, Surge can see all people banned so if he see's a player who has been banned and he doesn't recall the event he can ask the staff team. I'm sorry Jerry, but I don't think a manager is a good idea. If it was open to apply for the section would be FLOODED with threads. If a current mod is going to be picked as the manager, the idea would be more applicable. However, some mods may take it personally. A head mod however is a good idea. I think if there was a head mod the head mod would be considered still as a mod, this means other mods wouldn't take is as personally and wouldn't be sad about a fellow mod leaving them. Anyone considering arguing the fact that there may be trust problems, don't. It has already been addressed so please read the previous argument. As for further information please feel free to comment.
I honestly agree but if more people were to apply then we would have to make the mod acception a little bit harsher if u get what im saying
I agree and disagree with that. A mod app doesn't necessarily have to be harsh to get the truth out of someone. I think you don't even have to be very trustworthy to do this job. Huh? You haven't been to updated? What do you mean? @Lostvayne @Revelutionz @SoulFullNess being the current mods, it would be great to get an opinion from you.
I could see a senior mod rank being a thing and it having a ban command so regular mods don't have that power but we all know that isn't happening so just have to make do with what we got
Why not? A decision like this isn't to hard to make, and when it is made Surge can just sit back and watch the work being done. I can see it happening, surge could make a senior mod rank for those he trusts if he is willing to keep updated and check the banned players regularly.
Surge doesn't really trust us enough or maybe it's just a different reason but I doubt he'd give us ban perms because someone is sure to abuse them
Someone is sure to abuse them? With the small mod team we have now I don't think any of you will abuse them. I trust all three of you. Anyway even if they are, what use is abuses going to do them? @Revelutionz Opinion?
My gosh. I remember when squadraft was 150+ players, and you want to know why? (1) We had a bigger staff (included mods, senior mods, admins, etc...) (2) They actually had power (aka, If surge is so untrusting of people, the server dies. It's already started due to his brilliant idea of a new factions, this is making it worse.
Well duh, I've been here since early 2013 when they reached over 500 players a lot of the time and they didn't have that nuch power, They had ban for a while but it was removed because they abused it as well as temp ban. The problem doesn't lie with us, It lies with people who would become staff in the future, They could abuse it. That's why I'd rather have it for like a Senior mod position instead of normal mods.
MAYBE IF Y'ALL DON'T NOTICE THAT THERE IS NO PLAYER THAT SEEMS FITTING FOR MOD MANAGER OR IF THERE IS, ARE TOO LAZY TO GET THEIR ASS UP TO MAKE PROPOSE THE IDEA OF BEING MOD MANAGER TO SURGE, NO ONE'S GETTING ANYWHERE WITH WHINING (halfway I noticed caps lock was on and I was like ok idc so plz no yelling 4 the caps)
The server is already beginning to die I mean usually on a weekend, we would get about 110 or so and now its like 80
Well for now I doesn't exactly look like surge is planning on making a player mod soon. So if we can just get head players banned by surge or if he doesn't want to by you current mods.
So your point is that we shouldn't ban hackers, because there are large majority of the players who do still play on squad? Or am I mistaken?
Just a word of advice, you don't need to post your hacker reports literally everywhere just put them under hack / ddos reports and kitpvp. They don't need to be advertised.
You are mistaken. What someone said was that if they server doesn't get a stronger staff team and ban its hackers then the server could die which atm, it is slowly beginning to. Hackers should be banned even if it means the server becoming unpopular but it needs to be done but surge never seems to actually do it. Pretty much what surge needs to do is: Give mods either temp-ban or perm-ban or he comes and bans the players himself.
We aren't whining. I'm giving surge a suggestion to improve his server. And secondly if you do consider this as whining what other way do you suggest we get rid of hackers?
don't they have like 4 mods? can't they deal with hackers? mods don't need perm ban mate. they can just use jail and if there's no jail, then surge has to add jail
There is a jail, and surge isn't banning them. That's why we need mods to have perm ban so we can get rid of hackers. Maximum jail is only a day.
Since the mods don't get these ban things, this server is gonna become nothing but hackers and soon it will end up dying
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