KitPvP tank passive and no knockback?

Discussion in 'In-Game Server Improvements' started by surgetheurge, Dec 14, 2015.

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Remove knockback? add tank passive?

  1. Remove knockback from the entire server and add the kitpvp tank passive

    5 vote(s)
    22.7%
  2. remove knockback from the entire server, don't add the tank passive

    1 vote(s)
    4.5%
  3. don't add tank passive, don't remove knockback

    12 vote(s)
    54.5%
  4. add tank passive, don't remove knockback.

    4 vote(s)
    18.2%
  1. surgetheurge

    surgetheurge Urges of Surge Admin

    I was thinking we could make it so the more people attack you at the same time in kitpvp, the less damage you take, maybe even start reflecting damage. The thing is that, you kind of can't be teamed on. If there are 500 people attacking you, you will only take damage from the most damaging person. The only bad thing from being ganged up on, is being knocked around like a hacky sack, not being able to focus or kill anyone due to constantly being displaced everywhere and not having enough time in any one place with a target to kill it. So ultimately another solution would be to just remove knockback.
    I'm thinking about generally removing knockback from the whole server. It's got no purpose and it only irritates people. Gameplay is supposed to be fun, not frustrating, and knockback induces frustration in players. So maybe remove knockback from all sources except for maybe, snowballs/eggs in skywars, and knockback enchants. The knockback bows and swords can be used as a utility, to stop someone from chasing you, or to knock someone down a cliff or something. We don't really want to remove a chunk of the game, just remove the element of knockback that hurts the gameplay experience. For example like being ganged up on and kicked around like a hacky sack.
     
  2. Revelutionz

    Revelutionz That one dutch guy

    Removing knockback means you have no reason to strafe wich is part of skillfull pvp, and also without knockbacknin the whole server people will make tons of report because they think its a anti kb hack,

    I like the first idea but not the second
     
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  3. surgetheurge

    surgetheurge Urges of Surge Admin

    Why would the server think everyone is hacking?
    Well at first everyone would panic and think that, but then everyone will realize the change and understand that it isn't hacks.
    wtf is strafe.
    is that where you just walk sideways? I kind of do that but only for the sole purpose of making it harder for someone else to hit me... not to negate knockback, so what if you walk sideways you get knocked back less?
     
  4. Revelutionz

    Revelutionz That one dutch guy

    New players wont
     
  5. Bolt_The_Man

    Bolt_The_Man Skywars Addict Staff Member Mod

    Yeah, a strafe Is when you run left to right and hit the player.
     
  6. Basilbac

    Basilbac Skyblock King

    Personally it seems like removing knockback and adding the passive thing won't be a good idea because that's just a part of how it works. Plus, what if it's just a ton of people fighting each other randomly, but someone gets an advantage because they are hit by 2 people at the same time. It could just be simply random
     
  7. wiipro123

    wiipro123 Work hard in silence & let the success make noise.

    YES KNOCKBACK is so bad. 0 strafe
     
  8. Newb

    Newb *inhales*...

    I think pvp is fine the way it is minus the hit detection. We should spend more time on advertising the server rather than adding plugins, it's really the glitches that just need to be fixed.
     
  9. surgetheurge

    surgetheurge Urges of Surge Admin

    I don't think it would take a lot or time or brains to see everyone have no knockback and then assume the server has no knockback, especially while yourself not having knockback.
     
  10. surgetheurge

    surgetheurge Urges of Surge Admin

    You guys need to change your mindset to, how can I come up with an idea to make this work, rather then, how can I come up with a reason why this is bad.
    Well make it so there had to be an x number of people doing an x number of damage to you in x number of time for it to kick in.
    So if 2 people did at least 10 hearts of damage to the target player in less then 30 seconds, it's obvious they are purposely targeting him, therefore give him 20% damage reduction vs them, Now he takes less damage then they do, the only issue is the knockback.
     
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  11. surgetheurge

    surgetheurge Urges of Surge Admin

    I really feel like this is a complete non issue, you gotta be reallllllly dumb to think 100% of the players are hacking and not notice that you are not being knocked back. Like literally you would need to lack common sense for that to be an issue.
     
  12. surgetheurge

    surgetheurge Urges of Surge Admin

    Well maybe stop cheating then.
     
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  13. Minersof49ers

    Minersof49ers music ig

    This is a great idea. I'm getting ganged up in kit pvp all the time, and this would be a big help. :)
     
  14. MetaMonkeyz

    MetaMonkeyz Ign is SnowBagel. Staff Member Mod

    Leave it as it is, you're just gonna make kitpvp worse than it already is, hit detection is weird af. Having no kb for a tank would just be hassle and just be pure annoying, especially to the tanks that just sit and pot. Gives me carpal tunnel.
     
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  15. Newb

    Newb *inhales*...

    2nd time I've been accused of hacking by the owner, new record!
     
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  16. MetaMonkeyz

    MetaMonkeyz Ign is SnowBagel. Staff Member Mod

    Its what he always assumes.
     
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  17. leapster

    leapster Hu3

    be careful you might get banned for being right
     
    Last edited: Dec 15, 2015
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  18. MetaMonkeyz

    MetaMonkeyz Ign is SnowBagel. Staff Member Mod

    I get that you're trying to be unique, but that just ruins every aspect of kitpvp m8 :/
    You should focus on other things, not plugins because plugins make more glitches and glitches make pissed off people which makes them leave.
     
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  19. DomoPvP

    DomoPvP New Member

    That will just ruin pvp then if you add that, how are you supposed to strafe someone?
     
  20. Minersof49ers

    Minersof49ers music ig

    You don't, that's why I like it. :)
     
  21. DomoPvP

    DomoPvP New Member

    Minersof49ers that will ruin kitpvp forever lol
     
  22. Minersof49ers

    Minersof49ers music ig

    LOL X)
    I just like the idea of when people gang up on you, you take less damage. Still undecided about the whole "No-knockback" thing.
     
  23. Basilbac

    Basilbac Skyblock King

    Well it would need to be a much smaller time than 30 seconds because that's simply coincidental, but yeah, I see your point. However, it seems kind of weighted and it just removes an aspect of kitpvp. IT's turning this into more complex pvp, rather than simple kit, fight, die, redo
     
  24. Minersof49ers

    Minersof49ers music ig

    The thing is- you would never know because it's automatic. It would just be an "enhancer" type plugin for when you're being ganged up on, that way you actually have a chance.
     
  25. MetaMonkeyz

    MetaMonkeyz Ign is SnowBagel. Staff Member Mod

    Shouldn't matter about chance xD, pick your fights and you should be fine, don't be reckless and fight people who are obviously better than you or 5v1s.

    With more plugins brings more glitches too. Could ruin hit registration, hell, the tank think could glitch out and make them invincible
     
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  26. Minersof49ers

    Minersof49ers music ig

    People gang up on others without them ever picking fights, but yeah about the glitches...
     
  27. Basilbac

    Basilbac Skyblock King

    If you're tired of being ganged up on, meet some people, team with them, fight others.
     
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  28. Newb

    Newb *inhales*...

    I didn't meet people, they met me ;)
     
  29. MetaMonkeyz

    MetaMonkeyz Ign is SnowBagel. Staff Member Mod

    I mainly felt bad for killing you all the time
     
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  30. surgetheurge

    surgetheurge Urges of Surge Admin

    Idk, i think we have to just try things and see if people hate it or love it.
     
  31. Revelutionz

    Revelutionz That one dutch guy

    is it possibly to get a test server, before you add things to test out if it doesnt glitch with other plugins and to find bugs
     
  32. Basilbac

    Basilbac Skyblock King

    People clearly don't want that happening tho
    This would be a great idea as it's a way to not just suddenly release it to possibly no result
     
  33. Minersof49ers

    Minersof49ers music ig

    Yeah, just make a "Kit Pvp <BETA>" thing in the hub. If people like it, why not! If they don't, oh well, was worth a shot. :)
     
  34. removing kb won't do much, half of factions has anti-kb anyway.
     
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  35. Basilbac

    Basilbac Skyblock King

    Not just facs
     
  36. Newb

    Newb *inhales*...

    Disgo <3
     
  37. snipernationdws

    snipernationdws I love to pvp, build, have fun with friends.

    Surge, I honestly don't like this idea. It removes the pvp thing away from it! If someone goes on Kohi and practices for three days (what I did.) then this would just waste all that time and probably make half the population quit.
     
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  38. Minersof49ers

    Minersof49ers music ig

    Yeah, have to agree. Do you like the hit-detection think though?
     
  39. He fucking removed it, smh.
     
  40. Basilbac

    Basilbac Skyblock King

    So even when a majority of 60+% voted as to keeping it as it is, it's still changed....
     
  41. DomoPvP

    DomoPvP New Member

    My god wtf is this knockback? i died so many times because i didn't have any knockback so i couldn't run this is cancerous.

    Surge, are you blind can you not see the people who voted "don't add tank passive, don't remove knockback" 11 people voted for that, thats 61.1%.

    I cant even strafe anyone, its just straight lining, i got killed multiple times because i didn't have any knockback and i couldn't knock them back.
     
  42. Revelutionz

    Revelutionz That one dutch guy

    Watch your language
     
  43. Basilbac

    Basilbac Skyblock King

    What did he say that's against the rules. People go around all the time plainly saying 'fuck' and stuff, to no repercussions? Plus, he was warranted in raging about it. The public clearly didn't want it and yet it was still implemented
     
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  44. TcWxFUSIONS

    TcWxFUSIONS Mostly known as Joey

    Yeah ermm this has just ruined the whole concept of pvp on kitpvp. It used to be about strafing and tactics and now it's just about who has the better ping. If you want more people to come on the server surge you need to start listening to what the community wants. They clearly voted against this and I have seen at least 5 people say they are going to quit due to this new plugin.
     
  45. AHAHAHAH HE ACTUALLY ADDED IT
     
  46. wilsonpilson2016

    wilsonpilson2016 New Member

    knockback is part of pvp
     

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